#195 Emily Hatton
Awarded TSA New Songwriter of the year Emily Hatton, is a Melbourne-born country singer-songwriter, who brings fire and an energy to her performances that few emerging artists can replicate. Seamlessly blending country and pop stylings, her energetic presence delivers catchy hooks coupled with authentic, personal stories. Hatton is a dedicated songwriter with great emotional range.
She crafts her music from places of strength to vulnerability, but all the time with heartfelt, true-to-life experience woven in to complete the storytelling.
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Rae Leigh: Welcome to a Songwriter Tryst with the amazing and beautiful Emily Hatton. Thanks for joining me.
Emily Hatton: Oh Hey thanks for having me.
Rae Leigh: I love these live chats where you're in front of me, cuz then I get to tell everyone how comfortable you look and how beautiful you look and you're smiling and you know, we're, we're in the same room, which is just different, cuz most of the podcasts are online cuz not everyone lives close there you go. okay. Tell us a little bit about who you are and where you come from.
Emily Hatton: I come from me land down I just that's where my brain went. I bet everyone,
Rae Leigh: sodas about
Emily Hatton: do I?
Rae Leigh: of the people I talk to. Cause so do
Emily Hatton: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: Down under is so much better.
Emily Hatton: It is a great country. Um, I, I was actually born in a tiny little town by the sea called Williamstown
Rae Leigh: Oh nice
Emily Hatton: um, and I, I grew up in the suburbs. I don't have a typical story. See, I feel like most people in country would actually say, you know, oh, I grew up on a farm, you know, but I did not. And I didn't, I didn't grow up on, you know, Johnny Cash or Loreta Lynn or anything like that. Um,
Yeah. It's part of my story to cuz I've written
Rae Leigh: okay. There you go. You've written a song about not coming from the country. though. Cause
Emily Hatton: So I didn't have the typical story of coming into country, but there was always like a little taste here and there of just it's like it's like country was a, was a little muse and it was always like, Hey, I'm here. You know,
Rae Leigh: did that genre first influence you? Was it a parent or a friend or something?
Emily Hatton: I mean, there was, my dad played James Taylor a lot when I was a kid. And my mom played Fleetwood Mac and you know, she taught me how to dance in the living room, push the furniture aside and danced to fleet with Mac.
Rae Leigh: So you dance to fleet Mac with your mom in your living room. Are you a good dancer?
Emily Hatton: That's
Rae Leigh: a terrible dancer.
Emily Hatton: That's very questionable.
Rae Leigh: question. I have my own rhythm. When it comes to dancing. you
Emily Hatton: I find my own rhythm when it comes to dancing.
Rae Leigh: your own rhythm? That's my style of dancing,
Emily Hatton: It could be called interpretive. Yeah, no basic like I, I was always in, I was always in musical theater. Okay.
Rae Leigh: Okay.
Emily Hatton: And I probably would've been a triple threat if I did know how to dance
So yeah, that's a thing, but yeah, so, um, it was always little taste here and there of, you know, of, of, of what country. Means to me how I define it, which is, my, my singing teacher in high school said that I had a voice that was really suited to country and, you know, back in the day I was like, okay Cause I was listening to like Aval Levine at the
Rae Leigh: Yeah. me too. Yeah.
Emily Hatton: wasn't, singing into your hairbrush in your bedroom?
Rae Leigh: Ah, that's a boy. a girl. Can I make it any?
Emily Hatton: exactly. It's been 20 years since that album came out Can you believe it
Rae Leigh: make me feel old. That's just that's mean
Emily Hatton: yeah.
Rae Leigh: interviewing myself so far. Keep going
Emily Hatton: that's cool.
Rae Leigh: very similar story. I never got told, I sounded country there. I still don't get told
Emily Hatton: oh really?
Rae Leigh: But I had no country influence either, so
Emily Hatton: yeah. Yeah. So then, then I guess what happened is I, I think it was 18 and, you know, I had a, well, I had a tough time in. In school in general. I mean, who, who doesn't really, if you're, if you're creative, I find that's a really common thing, yeah, but for me, for me, it's funny, cuz it's like, there were all these puzzle pieces, but they hadn't quite come together yet.
You know, I've never been someone who was like five years old and knew exactly what I wanted, which was to grow up and become a singer songwriter. Like that was never even in, in my brain, I knew I loved singing and I, I would just do it without even realizing I was doing it. You know, I'd be like singing in the classroom and someone would be like, Emily, you're singing. And I'd be like, what was that? Wasn't in my head.
Rae Leigh: Whoops.
Emily Hatton: Um,
and so I, yeah, I never really felt like I belonged, it just all through childhood and in high school and all of that. Um, and.
I,
went to America for the first time. I think I was 18 to meet my extended family. And even though they weren't blood, you know, they just welcomed me in like nothing I had ever felt before.
EV everyone was just so accepting. And, you know, my American family is huge. Like, there are so many of them,
Rae Leigh: so what's the connection. Like mom's dad's side
Emily Hatton: Like mom's dad's side it's dad's side. And so, it was Batesville, Indiana, and, you know, they have this massive house and we were all collected, like in the basement. And then they're just this big whiskey drink in corn hole playing flannel, wearing bunch.
Rae Leigh: Oh, that sounds awesome.
Emily Hatton: Oh, that sounds awesome. And, and yeah, the entire time in the background country music was playing. And so I just immediately developed this, like sentimental, nostalgic attachment to it, you know? And so it's. it's more than just the music for me, because then I went off and discovered it myself, you know, then it just like, that was the, that was like the catalyst for it.
All of like, that was the, the blaringly obvious light in your face sort of thing. And then, and then I just started discovering the genre, at depth, you know, I'd find an artist that I liked and then I would try and find artists similar. And back in the day, this was Pandora before it stopped being a thing in
Rae Leigh: Oh, okay. Yeah. Cause I just got rid of Pandora didn't
Emily Hatton: did, but it was like the perfect algorithm
Rae Leigh: though. Oh yeah.
Emily Hatton: but it just like always gave me something else that, that I liked, like to hear. And so, yeah, I, and the more I listened to it, the more I loved discovering all the new narratives and stories.
So. Yeah. And the, like the traditional and then the more modern staff as well.
I just, I liked it all and it was, I dunno, there's just something, you know, magical and, and different, about country and yeah, it was a world that I could see myself in. So it was a mix of the stories themselves and, and the songwriting. And then also everything that comes with country, which is, you know, I find like people who have grown up on a farm have a very good work ethic and, you know, things like common courtesy and just good.
Yeah. Grown up with good values and, yeah. Stuff like that. So
Rae Leigh: When I found country, I found a home and that was the main reason I even stayed in country, you know, was I felt like I found somewhere where I belong and that I'd never felt that before, even in my own family, I'd never felt that welcomed and that accepted just for who I am, you know, and that. That's probably the main reason I'm in country and Allan Caswell it's all his fault. I'd blame him mostly in Cal Verde, but um, so tell me, like, were you doing songwriting and music in school? And this was something that you just grew up being in and your parents supported you and doing music through high school.
Emily Hatton: So in school, I, it was the separate thing still. So I, I was singing all the time. I was in every choir and concert choir and do up group and musical that you could possibly think of that was in school and I even studied it, you know?
And then I, I was more obsessed with acting at the time. I knew that that's what I wanted to do, cuz I think the moment, the first moment that I realized that. Standing on a stage is my happy place. I think I was like five and I had white blonde hair and I was so petrified being on stage. And then I, I heard the audience applaud. Yeah. And it's like, something clicked in my brain and I went, oh,
Rae Leigh: like that. I
Emily Hatton: I love that. But it, it wasn't just like an approval thing. It was like, I think I made that connection way back then that they had paid attention to a story that I was telling and they connected with it and I made them feel something.
And that was the best feeling. And it's so funny cuz like back then I was um, I basically had stagefright, you know, I just, I was so scared of being on there, but it was like a rollercoaster, like as soon as you get off, you're like, I wanna do that again.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. Yeah. The anticipation is scary waiting for the rollercoaster ride and then that, that slow creep to the top before you have to do the big drop and all that sort of
Emily Hatton: thing. Yeah. , I watched a behind the scenes of a movie and I became obsessed and then I watched all of the behind the scenes of every movie that I could get my hands on.
And I'd always be like, dad, let's go to the DVD store and get another movie and then make sure it has behind the scenes, because I saw. Like, I love the behind the scenes. That's like one of my favorite things, because you see everything that, that goes on. That's not just in, in front of the camera, you know?
And it's always people connecting and it's always, a big family, that you become like on a production set. And it was the same with musicals. You know, you, you, you become a family really quickly and really
closely so I, yeah, I went down that path and I explored that. But then at the same time, I had, I had poetry as my little, my little thing that I did, that was just mine, you know, and I was an only child, so I didn't really have anyone to talk things through with.
Rae Leigh: mm-hmm
Emily Hatton: And so I was in my own head a lot. Yeah, the way, the way that I dealt with that was either writing in a diary or just. I wrote, I wrote poetry. So, you know, like I'd be, I climbed trees a lot. I'd just be like in my tree, in my front yard or in my, in my grandfather's apple tree. And then I'd be writing poetry in my head because I, I, this was still when I was a kid.
And I found that like, as I said at the start, I I've always felt like I'm not great with words on the spot. And, you know, people would say these incredibly cruel things in high school, and I would just freeze and I didn't know how to retort, you know, I didn't know what to say
Rae Leigh: No, no. Witty come back.
Emily Hatton: Yeah, exactly. And that was like the worst feeling. And then when I got home, And I kind of relaxed, you know, I'd have this flood of all of the things that I wish that I'd said to them on the spot. Um, and I found that if that rhymed that was so satisfying and I could then move on from that. And so that's yeah, poetry was, it became my outlet.
Rae Leigh: I totally think I had that. I have like so many songs was like, I hate what you do. And I like that, that really punk, Rocky teenage angst
Emily Hatton: Yes, absolutely.
Rae Leigh: all the stuff I wish I had have said to that bully, but I just wanted to be accepted. So I smiled instead of telling you how I really feel
Emily Hatton: exactly. And it's so funny, right? Because in, in school all you wanna do is fit in and, you know,
Rae Leigh: be accepted,
Emily Hatton: be accepted and almost like just melt into the woodwork and then you get out of school and you're like, and, and it's now, and all you wanna do is stand out and you know, not be the same as everybody else. At least for me.
Yeah. That's where I came from. So I had the poetry going on. I had the singing and then I had the acting and being on stage and loving that. And I just, they, it was like a three pronged fork and I just never pulled them all into the same path until I was about 18. And then the, you know, met the family in Batesville and that was a catalyst.
And then it's like, they all came together. For the first
Rae Leigh: that the point where you were like, ah, this is like, actually I'm so straight out of high school, you're like, I'm gonna do music or be a singer songwriter or like, how did that
Emily Hatton: not, yeah, not even, like I've, I've always severely doubted myself like pretty much every day.
Rae Leigh: Mm-hmm
Emily Hatton: yeah, exactly. So when I, when I started writing, it was like, I was like, maybe I can do this. And like, oh, this feels good. When, when I finish a song, you know, it feels great because it's like this neat little package that you've put everything into. And then when you play it through, it's like, ah, okay, that, that makes more sense.
You know, it's an escapism and it's also processing. And then, um, yeah, so it's, it's, it's like making sense of the cluster fluff of thoughts
Rae Leigh: Mm-hmm
Emily Hatton: that are, you know, tangled inside my brain. but it can also be capturing a beautiful. Moment or a beautiful memory that you wanna then go back and relive and revisit over and over again.
So there's like those, you know, two main, if we're going to really broadly generalize, there's like the, the negative ish emotions. And then there's like the positive ish emotions.
Rae Leigh: the ying
Emily Hatton: Yeah. Exact that's so beautiful. So, that's kind of how songwriting started. I just literally taught myself self-talk guitar in like three months. And at first it was impressive. Everyone was like, whoa, you've only been playing for three months and then I kind of just plateaued and then everyone was like, oh yeah, you've been playing for two years. Yeah, sure.
Rae Leigh: yeah.
Emily Hatton: But yeah, like, honestly at first I didn't think that I could do it and it's. It's sometimes it's still really hard for me and that's when you have to learn the craft and practice it and then go with what you know.
But then there's the magical little moments that just happen, like a lightning ball outta the sky and, and you go, whoa, that's really cool. And then you run with it and then before, you know, you've finished a song and you're like, wow, where did that come from? And I think, I think it's humbling because you know, whether you are, you know, spiritual or religious or, or anything, it, it can all be attributed to something bigger than yourself.
And I think that's really important to, to keep in perspective of, yeah, it's, there's, there's something bigger and you know, back in the day they called it Amus right. So, it humbles you because. It stops you from, from being selfish. I find of, of saying, you know, oh, I did this all myself. And, but then it also softens the blow. If, if someone doesn't like it,
Rae Leigh: it's not personal.
Emily Hatton: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: I don't know where, okay. It's not my fault. I'm just, I'm just the, the vessel. exactly That's funny. I like that. It, it wasn't me. It was, I'm just, it was God's fault.
Emily Hatton: it wasn't me just he God's fault It's no like, it's kind of like Rumple, stilt skin, you know, he takes all the hay mm-hmm and, and he does the work and he puts it into this, to this thread, but where does the magic come from? Who knows?
Rae Leigh: Cool. I think the magic comes from within,
Emily Hatton: Aw,
Rae Leigh: Are you religious or you have like faith or
Emily Hatton: or are we going into that?
Rae Leigh: Well, you don't, you don't have to. Um, but it
Emily Hatton: I, I have a really deep thoughts about that
Rae Leigh: that? It does it, it comes up in conversation a lot and, Often, yeah.
In, in songwriting people have their own spiritual experience or relationship with the universal with God or their own faith and how they interpret that. And that's, , brilliant. But it was just cause you brought up.
Emily Hatton: I think, I
think that language has put something in place for us to label things and define things. And there there's something common that we all feel in our hearts and souls and it's, it's it's energy, you know, and energy is like the label, I guess, that I, that I put on it to,
Rae Leigh: that's the buzzword at the moment. Yeah.
Emily Hatton: is it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, for me, it's just, it makes the most sense because I mean, there's just so many common threads that run through.
all.
religions and, and, and, you know, people's definitions and
that's
something that can neither be created nor destroyed. Always has been, always, will be. And, you know, it can be transferred and, and rebirths. And so all
Rae Leigh: controversial thing that some people will focus on the beauty of it. And other people will focus on the, the violence and the horror of it at the same time. And so everything in life comes down to perspective and ex and personal experience. And that is one of those things that, that does that.
So let's go back to your songwriting. um, so you, I mean, you've done all these things. Was there a moment where the imposter syndrome, you kind of were able to get rid of it enough where you were like, right. I'm gonna do this now. And like, are you doing it full time? What are you doing at the moment outside of releasing your own original music?
Emily Hatton: It fluctuates. So I, I mean, people keep saying to me, don't, don't do this. If you have a thin skin and I definitely have a thin skin , but I find that you can, and it's just that you maybe cry a lot more or
Rae Leigh: yeah. Or
Emily Hatton: or I get a few more scratches or bruises or scars on, on that skin, but you know, it doesn't mean that you can't do it.
So,
Rae Leigh: the only way to get thicker skin is by doing
Emily Hatton: it.
Yeah, exactly. It's like how you get callouses, like guitar fingers, right?
Rae Leigh: Scars,
Emily Hatton: Scars. So
Rae Leigh: the scratches.
Emily Hatton: Um,
yeah, I, I, I learned something new every day and I think learning new things keeps me motivated and driven and also thinking about how I can impact on other people's lives.
Um, because yeah, it's, it's bigger than myself and that. That brings me peace of mind. Um, and, and I've actually found that, you know, one of the most important things in life is peace of mind. It's priceless. So, um, yeah,
knowing that I'm, I could possibly be giving the one thing that somebody needs that day. That's a really cool concept, you
know like
Rae Leigh: in, in a hundred years, time, long after you're gone, it still may give someone that one thing that they need that day. That's what I love about it. It's you, it may not, you could die. Like so many artists like work their entire lives being completely unknown.
And then, you know, and then like, look at Elvis, like he's long, God people still love him. You know, it's massive at the moment everyone's got Elvis's fever. Um, but it's still making a beautiful impact on the world.
Emily Hatton: yeah, it is cool. And that, that is a way that you can. Remembered remembered forever, you know, after, after you're gone. So that's really cool. I did go on a massive tangent what your actual
Rae Leigh: when when, when you're actually writing music though, and, and specifically something that you wanna release under, you know, your project, um, do you have like a core message or is there something that you always kind of want to go back to to be able to share with people that it was something you want them to get out of it that maybe you feel actually correlates with all of your music and you didn't realize, or maybe you do it intentionally?
Emily Hatton: Uh, yeah, I did come to that realization, um, that there is a thread that ties all of my songs together and that is to, well, I think of them as, as letters to myself, cuz then I can go back and, and listen to them as lessons. And you know, it's like a little reminder, um, because pain is. Something that tells us to not go there again.
Um, and then the joy is something that you can revisit. So I'm
Rae Leigh: again?
No, the question, the question is like, what is the common thread? What is the message that is coming through in your music that you feel people are getting out of it. And sometimes that happens organically and you don't intentionally do it, but you realize that it's just the essence of who, what comes out.
And other times people are like, no, every song has to be about Australian history, for example, or, you know, they have like a specific criteria of what makes their songs, a Emily Hadden song. Some people are more, you know, conscious about the way they do it. Sometimes more like me. I was just like, ah, I tend to write a lot about love , but you.
It depends on her, but do you feel like there is something there that you like you you've got, like, we all have something to say. Right. Do you feel like there's something that you wanna say that you feel like you're starting to say and will continue to say through your music?
Emily Hatton: Yeah.
And, and that changes, which I love. So with my first EP, it was very much escapism and living out all of the my daydreams, basically, of things that I thought about, you know, my first single was, Hey, my name's Emily and I'm coming into country music.
And here's my first song. It's about Greek mythology. everyone was like, she did not understand the assignment. And then my second one was like, I wanna be a pirate.
Rae Leigh: Um,
Emily Hatton: um, and
Rae Leigh: your, your actress theatrical side Taman you were like, I'm a goddess and I am a pirate and I . So the personality stuff's coming through now, cause you said you like you like personality and delving into that. That's such an actor just saying
Emily Hatton: it, it is guilty as charged. Yeah. But the common thread, I realized that tied all of those together was, um, there was a lot of heartache as a theme in general in, in those songs.
Um, that's just cuz that's what I was going through at the time. And the, the, the common thread was, um, finding the light in the darkness and, and focusing on that light and realizing that you are the Yeah. As like corny as that sounds, um, because there's so many, you know, environmental, um, outside influences that can bring you down.
Um, but you've just gotta be. Burning brighter on the inside, um, than all the fire around you so that you can, you know, stay alive and not just alive, but fully living and vibrant.
Rae Leigh: and yeah.
Emily Hatton: and yeah. So I, I wanted to give that to other people that realization,
um, yeah,
Rae Leigh: I like that. And I think for me, like I was surviving and it was about that. Just like keep burning bright and like try and find something to, you know, inside you. That's gonna keep you going. Um, and. I actually also only more recently in my adult mature life realized that the darkness inside of me was nothing to be afraid of.
And that actually by digging into the darkness, that's where you find the Yeah. And that the digging in the darkness, you don't go looking for diamonds, but that is where you're gonna find them. And it wasn't until I started to find diamonds, which for me was my courage to actually start sharing my music.
And, and that is kind of like, that's how I see it of like, I always felt like I had this darkness inside of me, but I just tried to like ignore it and like tried to shadow it with that brightness. So I was always a very bright, bubbly person pretending to like, not be depressed and miserable um, but it's interesting when I started to actually deal with my trauma and actually look at that, what I felt was darkness inside of me and dig into it.
It was suppressing those diamonds of the core of who I am and what makes me me and makes me beautiful and finding those is what gave me the strength to actually go ha you can't. No, one's gonna be able to take this from me and gave me the courage to actually finally start singing in public.
Emily Hatton: just gave me goosebumps.
Rae Leigh: but you just reminded me of like that visualization that I, I found in myself in the last few years, and it's like, I relate to that.
And every, you need to just have compassion for yourself and be like, it's okay to have imposter syndrome. You know, we all have it at some point in our lives, whether you're a teenager or everyone does, unless you're completely narcissistic, but then you have another problem to deal with because you're gonna be like, why doesn't anyone else like me as much as myself
But aside from the, you know, the few, very few people out there that are like that, um, most people have imposter syndrome and it's so common and some people go their entire lives and not realize that everyone feels that I'm not good enough or, you know, I'm a burden or whatever. And, um, I found real comfort in realizing that we all have that.
And it probably just shows that you're a good human being and you care . Good. Not narcissistic tick.
All right. So have you done much co-writing in yes. The past. All right. So tell me about your co-writing experiences. Favorite one.
Emily Hatton: Oh, I love it. Um, oh, favorite one. That's so hard
Rae Leigh: okay. You don't have to choose like don't okay. We don't play favorites, but like one that you feel like was an impact in your learning to co-write with
Emily Hatton: One that always stuck with me was my first ever co-writing session. Um, cuz it went Michael Soletta and it was us writing maybe.
And it went way better than
expected.
well, cuz I'd never written with anybody before and I was like, I don't, I don't really know how this goes. I, I know how to disappear into my own head and sort things out that way. Um, but I, you know, he made the process so easy. It was basically just. It was like this, it was like us having a two hour conversation about our perspectives.
And then also what we loved about songwriting. And then he, he was, he had this like seamless segue of just like, cool. So what do you wanna, what do you wanna talk about? What do you wanna say?
And
Rae Leigh: kind of where the idea for this podcast came from was that pre songwriting chat
Emily Hatton: There you go.
And it's, it's amazing every single time, you know, and you, you just connect with somebody else who is like-minded and, but yeah, he was like my Rafiki.
Yeah. He was so
Rae Leigh: so how did you end up doing, like what, what drove you to start crew writing?
Emily Hatton: Um,
I, I had influences in songwriters and. I learned that most of the songs that they'd written were co-writes and I thought, oh, that's a great concept. Actually, you have someone else to bounce your ideas off. And I think, I think that I thought to myself, it would stop me from overthinking in the moment, you
know not all the time but when I was, um, when I was first doing this first co-write it was just like, it just flowed so easily.
Um, and I was so raw at the time as well, and I just wanted to talk about it all. And then, you know, Michael was there with this guitar, doing a Drummy pattern thing and it just kind of fell out. Um, and then, but in saying that I did write the song, most of the lyrics I wrote myself and then I, I felt really proud of it and I'd play it a lot and then people would go, oh, that's great.
But. What are you, what are you actually saying? Like, I don't really understand. And I was like, oh, okay. Maybe I haven't expressed myself in the best way that I can. So I ended up rewriting the whole thing. So while the music was exactly what I wanted and what was perfectly felt like I was expressing, you know, at the time what I wanted to express, um, the lyrics were definitely not, um, not true to what I was actually feeling.
And it took other people's feedback for me to realize that. And so that
Rae Leigh: a rewrite.
Emily Hatton: yeah, that was a learning
Rae Leigh: love that. That's good. I, I am a big believer in rewriting, and yet there are other like, no, you're messing with the supernatural presence of songwriting or something. But, um, yeah, I like that. So that, that was a good experience for you to go back and rewrite and relook at what you're actually saying.
Emily Hatton: Yeah. And it's the, it's the first and only song that I've done that with though, because I don't know, it was just a, a unique experience since then. I, I just learned, I learned from it and then I'd, you know, ask myself. Okay.
But what's a better way to say this, or what's a clearer way to say this, so, yeah. But that was a good experience in itself. Cause I almost abandoned the song completely. Um wow. You know, cuz yeah. Um,
Rae Leigh: but you just made it better Good job. cute.
Emily Hatton: Well, yeah, I mean you always have a choice, right? You can, you can give up or you can choose to turn the situation into something productive and that's what I
Rae Leigh: If there's a will, there's a way there's always a solution to every problem.
Good, good attitude with co-writing. Now that you've done a bit more of it, what would you say? Um, your piece of advice to someone out there you know, maybe hasn't co-written before or they're getting into co-writing. What do you think is the most important thing know before going into co-write or to think
Emily Hatton: Ooh, good I like to treat it as getting to know the other person as a friend, um, if you've never met them before, um, and finding something to connect on and finding something that you are both passionate about, you know, I, I follow where the goosebumps lead, you know, if, if you're talking about something and someone goes, wow, that's, that's a great thing that you just said, that's what you go with, you know?
Yeah.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. So, and then
Emily Hatton: So, and then vulnerability. Yeah. And then also just, just like general etiquette, you know, being aware that, um, not every single right is necessarily going to go. Without a hitch and completely fluidly. Um, and to, yeah, just like be, be re receptive to other ideas and, and go with them and just like go where the flow is and, and try and find a compromise.
Let's like, try and find a movie that you both wanna watch,
Rae Leigh: you know,
Emily Hatton: it's like you could scroll for hours, but then, um,
Rae Leigh: need to compromise at some point. Like if you just wanna watch the notebook, just say that and look, then, then it can just be like, well you either do or you don't, but like, um, and then you can make that choice, but be upfront about it.
Yeah.
Emily Hatton: Yeah. Finding common ground and
Rae Leigh: Yeah. Like if someone like, okay, so if I had this conversation with my husband, if he wants to watch a thriller or a horror movie, he has to find someone else to do it with, I'm not gonna watch it. Like that's just not gonna happen. And that way we both save ourselves a lot of time of even bothering flicking through cuz he wants to watch something that I'm not willing to do.
For my own sanity and that's a compromise in itself. So, you know, he knows only to come to me with things that might actually work and probably the same thing with songwriting. I think that's a good way of putting it. It's like, know who you're talking to, you know, don't, don't go to Alan Kawell and try and write a dubstep dance song.
you know, know the audience, know who you're working with.
Emily Hatton: yeah. I like trying to unlock what someone is passionate about to their core.
Rae Leigh: Mm. I like it. It's good to find like a common ground though, as well of something that you can both emotionally relate to and then find, try and find the universal hum human part of
Emily Hatton: mm-hmm experience.
Rae Leigh: Because I think at the core. Everyone there is certain emotional experience or need human need that we attach to it. And then I like when I find that it's like, that becomes the core message of the song. And then you get to explore all sorts of fun, creative ways whatever that thing is.
um, if you were to go back in time and give yourself one piece of advice as a teenage who loves music, um, something that you wish you maybe had have known earlier wisdom that you've now learnt after being in the industry for a while, what would you
Emily Hatton: I've thought about this so much. and honestly, I think the answer is don't change anything, just, you know, keep, keep doing what you're doing. It's. You know, there's, there's so many things that you could say, but then it's like a back to the future thing. And then it's like, it could have, you know, repercussions and a butterfly effect that changes the entire course of your life and who knows then where you would lead, you know?
So I think just, just live life and, um, you know, yeah. Maybe, maybe just like, just try and worry a little bit less. just a little bit yeah.
Rae Leigh: yeah.
Emily Hatton: Like you're going to be okay.
Rae Leigh: my one. No, I was gonna say that that's all right. When someone asked me that question, it's like, all I wish that someone had told me was you're gonna be okay.
You're not gonna die.
Emily Hatton: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: um, cuz even just knowing that yeah. It's like just keep going. It's all. It's all gonna be okay. Like don't do anything that's gonna harm you. Drugs or whatever, but like, yeah, if you just keep going and keep trying, you'll be And that's something that probably just comes with age.
I don't know if you can really learn that before you learn that
Emily Hatton: the hormones, man.
They're real.
Rae Leigh: Um, okay. If you could collaborate with anyone in the world dead or alive, either co-write or do a duet with who would it be and why
Emily Hatton: hard. Um,
Rae Leigh: one or two try and keep it to a small
Emily Hatton: number. Yeah, no. Um, my, my immediate thought is someone who, um, my dad listened to who then instilled my passion in, in that, um, person or that album.
So Phil Collins,
Phil Collins is, you know, huge in that way. Cuz now I have a sentimental attachment to his music as well, listening to, you know, his things brings his listening to his songs, brings me back to. You know, being in the car with my dad as he was driving and drumming on the steering wheel and singing at the top of his lungs, you know, and like that right there, you see the impact that music can have.
Rae Leigh: mm-hmm
Emily Hatton: So Phil Collins and, um, the why apart from that sentimental attachment, I just think he, he sings with such passion and his songwriting is so prolific. Like he wrote the entire, you know, Tarsan soundtrack, which is cool. Cuz then he shows that, um, his multidimensional and he can just take his skill like that and apply it to some, something completely different in, in a completely different way of approaching songwriting, you know, writing for a visual. Yeah. Which is so awesome. Cuz like I love autobiographical writing, but I, I also love that idea too. Um, so yeah, Phil Collins and also. Um, yeah. Admiral because of the,
well, yeah, cuz the impact she had on me is like a, a teenager and she was the reason that I realized that I could write my own songs if I learned how and tried hard enough.
Yeah. Because she was like 17 and she was writing her own songs and I thought that was so cool. And then the words that she said were like the thoughts that I kept to myself and there was something so cool in that and unlocking that and like, hold on, whoa, someone else is thinking what I'm thinking. And I get to scream this at the top of my lungs and feel better about my life
Rae Leigh: yeah.
Emily Hatton: and then the third person would be Billy Joel, because he's just a poet
Rae Leigh: mm-hmm
Emily Hatton: And like, if you, if you strip down his music is beautiful, but if you strip away the music and you just read his lyrics, they read like poetry. It's amazing. And there was a time in my life when I was in, America for student exchange living in college. And, um, I just went through this phase where I listened, do nothing, but Billy Joel , that's awesome.
And I say, he's like my fourth and
Rae Leigh: How does your dad feel about that?
Emily Hatton: fine with that. He loves Billy
Rae Leigh: okay. And so your parents are like, they support you on your music and, and everything that you're doing, which is awesome. I love it. When parents support children being creative, . It's like, no, you gotta get a real job.
Emily Hatton: I had a little bit of that too, but it
Rae Leigh: gonna do if it doesn't work out? yeah,
Emily Hatton: doesn't work out. Yeah. It was more like just, I, I was a huge daydreamer, still am, you know, wide eyed, little girl and I just very, very romantic and idealized sort of way of thinking. Um, maybe it's only child syndrome. I don't know. Maybe it's just the, just the creative in me, but.
They, they kind of just pulled me and, and, and kept me grounded in that way of like, Hey, like go for your life. But also just know that this is the reality also,
Rae Leigh: Yeah. Like you have to pay bills at some point
Emily Hatton: Yeah. So they were just like, just, just like, keep that in the back of your brain somewhere.
Rae Leigh: just remember that you need to like value yourself and get paid for what you do.
And it's hard as a creative because usually you have a really big heart and you do. You just want everyone to have it for free. And like we're all gonna hold hands and sing kumbaya But then we do need to have like a business element to what we do and value our creativity and realize that even though it may come completely naturally and you love it, there is still a value to it.
And it's, you still need to be paid for what you do. Just like an accountant needs to get paid for doing what they're good at.
Emily Hatton: mm-hmm
Rae Leigh: you need to get paid for doing what you are good at and you deserve to be, and there is nothing wrong with that. And that is one of the hardest things I think most creatives struggle with.
We all do.
Emily Hatton: Yeah. Cuz we just wanna disappear into our own little worlds where we are in that hyper focus of, of doing the creative thing that our souls gravitate to.
Rae Leigh: mm And that's, I don't know, I'm a big believer as well, that things always work out the way they're meant to . So I'm probably a dreamer like you. Okay.
So what what's coming up next for, you've moved to Brisbane. You got new music out.
Emily Hatton: I don't know. And it's awesome.
Rae Leigh: no plans, no idea.
Emily Hatton: no, I do. I do have some structured plans, but I also like to allow for flexibility and going wherever the wind blows, you know?
Rae Leigh: Would you, like, do you wanna head more into you wanna do some more acting or are you going full music? Are you trying to do a bit of both?
Emily Hatton: Ideally in my lifetime, I really would love to go back to acting cuz it is a huge passion of mine.
It's it is the same as, as songwriting though, you get on a stage or your putting on, a performance to a, as a performance and telling a story
and then receiving and then connecting with other people.
Rae Leigh: Mm-hmm
Emily Hatton: And that's, that's like the basis, that's like the core of everything for both of them, for both acting and singing for me, you know?
And the connecting with people is just the best part because you know, you can write a, a song alone crosslegged on your bedroom floor. But then
Rae Leigh: years.
Emily Hatton: yeah, but then when you share that with someone it's magnified.
Rae Leigh: mm.
Emily Hatton: There is yeah, no better feeling. So yeah, definitely both just while I'm on this tangent too, like I just, my dream vision, that keeps me going also came from, I was at a concert and I was watching the artists on stage and then they said, all right, everybody takes something out that lights up and hold them up so we can see every single one of And then while everybody had their eyes glued to the band, I turned around and my jaw fell to the floor because that was the most beautiful site I'd ever seen.
Rae Leigh: everyone
Emily Hatton: I've just, yeah. And all those lights and everyone was here for the same reason, which was to connect and feel something and then leave feeling awesome.
And I just. Loved that moment so much, and that is burned into my brain in the best way. I go and revisit that when I, you know, think about giving up and I just love that. So yeah, that's, that's a driving memory
Rae Leigh: day you're gonna be in stage in front of. Heaps of people and you're gonna do the same thing.
You're like, all right, everyone, I've been wanting to do this my whole life, everyone get out your phones or whatever device you have that lights up, get a lighter out, get it up in the air, wanna see
Emily Hatton: That would be the best.
Rae Leigh: That's cool to have a real, like a visual dream like that. And I, yeah, you know, you see them on those movies where people are doing documentaries like Taylor swift or whatever, and they have those screenshots of seeing the audience, all putting their phones up and stuff.
And it is beautiful. Is there anything else you would like to share with everyone while you've got the stage?
Emily Hatton: Oh, well just, um, I mean, you said what's coming up for me and more, more of this, more of writing and finding new and different ways of saying what I wanna say. Because I think I find that my language has changed over time too. If you're just looking at the lyrical side of things, I'm obsessed with lyrics I just love them.
Rae Leigh: So you feel like you're more a lyricist than a melody person, or do you think you do both?
Emily Hatton: and melody person, or do you think you do both? Oh, it, it changes. And it depends on the song too. Sometimes I'm more excited about the melody. Other times I'm more excited about the lyrics and other times it's just this synergy that just perfectly comes together and they're the rarest moments, but, Yeah, I just, I go with what I'm feeling and what I wanna express in this new and different way.
I try, I try and make it, you know, something that I wish I'd known earlier or, or something clever, like a cool concept that, that excites me, you know? So just, yeah, more, more lyric writing and yeah, no, I was saying, um, how my, my voice has kind of changed over time. It, it, it started out a sort of victim sort of
language, you know?
I'm not sure that that's the right word, but kind of a way of, very tunnel vision of like, this is what happened. This is what went wrong and this is how I feel about it, but I'm gonna be okay. And then it moved to a bit more eloquent. You know, way of saying, okay, so I had this pain and this is the lesson that I learned.
Or, you know, here's a cool way of thinking about this awesome feeling that I had, you know, and now it's moving as I grow older, it's moving into, well, actually this is what I want. And this is, this is what I've learned. And this is, this, is it in a way that, you know, hopefully no one's said before so that, you know, people's people's perspectives can be, can be challenged and, and changed.
And, um, yeah, I'd give other people that goosebump feeling.
Rae Leigh: That's I love that. Cool. Well, I'm gonna put all of your links and socials into the description of the podcast, and there'll be a blog on the website that is all just about this podcast, new and what you're doing. So people can go on there and find whatever social platform they wanna follow on and listen to your music and, hopefully come and see you play live and support you in, in what you're doing. Is there anything else you'd like to say before we finish up?
Emily Hatton: Yeah, so much.
Rae Leigh: Well, you know, you can say whatever you wanna say, like, honestly,
Emily Hatton: keep going on
i, I, yeah, I wanted to answer your other question. I think you just said something about like, yeah. Is there anything else you wanna
Rae Leigh: yeah, go on.
Emily Hatton: about? Um, so
Rae Leigh: I'm in a rush
Emily Hatton: um, awesome. Um, well, so alone,
Rae Leigh: I'm just, I'm sitting back in my chair. We're just getting comfortable.
Emily Hatton: I just wanted to say how awesome it is, with like technology these days, meeting people, quote, unquote, meeting people online, but then also getting to meet them in person.
And then. You know, just there's that next level of this is so cool seeing your face and, you know, being able to hug people now and, you know, like my top two love language is, are physical touch and quality time. And, and being able to share that with, you know, other people and that you're both bonding over the same thing is just so awesome.
So I always love, you know, when people come up to me and they say, oh, since, you know, day one. just really cool to see how you know, where you've come from. And, and I love the way that you say this, and I love this song because of this. That's awesome. So I just wanted to say thank you to those people.
Rae Leigh: Oh, it's encouraging. Isn't it? and not, not, everyone's gonna say something. So when someone does, it's like, oh, yay. Someone's listening. Someone's watching. It's good.
Emily Hatton: It's good. Exactly. We
Rae Leigh: do it, but it's nice to know that it's worth it.
Emily Hatton: but also in front of my eyes, being able to see an impact that I've made on somebody. And, um, you know, as I said, lot of self-doubt, but there was a friend one time, um, I'm um, about 10 years ago, it must have been.
Now that said to me, just kind of off the cuff out of the blue, um, I think your voice is the gift that you can give to the world. I was like, whoa,
Rae Leigh: Oh,
Emily Hatton: like, I'd never thought about it that way before that singing is something that I can give to other people.
Rae Leigh: Mm. And
Emily Hatton: You know, I, I've always known that my skillset does not lie in like surgery or being a doctor or anything like that, you know?
So this, this is what I can give. And I think, you know, the secret to living is giving. And so that's really cool
Rae Leigh: I like that the secret to living is giving
Emily Hatton: that's a cool quote. Um,
Rae Leigh: I like that. Is that, did you come up with that or is that stolen from
Emily Hatton: Oh, I've heard it
somewhere. Can't remember where I just remember it.
Cause it rhymes
Rae Leigh: Yeah yes. You talked about that. No, I love that.
That's really cool.
Emily Hatton: Yeah. So, um, that's super fulfilling, you know? Um, and then I don't know. I like fun facts, so I, I, I don't, I've never really been obsessed and fangirling over actors or singers because I just feel like. They're on my level, you know, like we're likeminded. So I'm like, oh yeah, cool.
That person. But paramedics I'm like, oh my gosh, , that's
Rae Leigh: is it the uniform? Is it the, like you handle situations really well
Emily Hatton: everything.
Rae Leigh: really
Emily Hatton: Right. I'm just like you save lives. And then they'll, they'll be like an ambulance that pulls up and you know, they don't have their sirens on, so you know that it's not an emergency or anything that they walk into the cafe and they get a coffee or whatever.
And then I'm just like that new. Yes. and I lean over and I'm like, I get milk lattes too. I mean, cappuccinos, I'm sorry. I'm my words are kind of stumbling and they're like, hi. Yeah,
Rae Leigh: that's just like never, I think it's a uniform. I, anyone in the uniform, like police offer the ambulance, like, um, firemen. Oh my gosh. Like I have, like, I have a friend who like, when he has like high vis he's a gardener.
Like he does cuts grass, but when he's in the uniform, I'm like, hello,
Emily Hatton: Oh, that's so funny
Rae Leigh: I can't, I got Rob knows about it till he teases me. Sometimes he dresses up as a police officer or
Emily Hatton: speak of the devil.
Rae Leigh: yeah. He's like, that's, that is my weakness. So I totally get that. And I get, I mean, I'll also talk to them, but I'll probably be a little bit extra flirtatious.
Emily Hatton: it's definitely also the fact that they save lives because that is just something that I know I could never do.
You know? And I have such a deep seated respect for people who have a skill set that is just completely foreign to me. You know, like when I meet, I don't know, um, financial advisors or accountants or something, and then, you know, they say, oh yeah, this is what I do for a living. And I go, that's fascinating.
And they're like, your.
You know
Rae Leigh: no, no, it's boring as
Emily Hatton: yeah. And that's their answer, but, but to me, the, the concept of it is, whoa, that is something that I could never do. You know? So I have a, like, I fully respect
Rae Leigh: and it probably goes in the opposite.
Like you ever find that you're talking to people and they're like an accountant or I work at Cole or whatever. And then it's like, oh, I'm a singer songwriter. Like they, they have that reaction to it's like, whoa, that's different. Yeah. Like it's so random. But yeah, I have the same thing in the other way.
It's like, yeah. But you get to like do that as well. I mean, yeah. I, I don't know I was gonna be a doctor I have a degree in biomedical science that's that was before I went into the personal training stuff, but like, um, yeah, for my whole life, I thought that was gonna be. that was a really valuable, like pinnacle of helping people
Emily Hatton: Wow.
Rae Leigh: until I realized that I'd probably just go mad dealing with like when people are in hospital.
And this is why I have respect for doctors now, or even Nur and nurses, which is why I push 'em up Jill and all that. Like, I, I have so much respect for them because when you're in the health industry, you are dealing with humans when. The worst of their personality comes out. The worst of their humanity comes out because when you are in pain and you're exhausted and you are grumpy and you become, and I've become an asshole, like even if you're the nicest person on the planet, your patients, your compassion for anything, and anyone, when you're in pain, you are sick is like zero and nurses and doctors have to put up with that all the time.
You know, you don't get to see them when they're healthy and happy because they don't need you, you know? Like, but yeah,
Emily Hatton: I do have a huge respect for people who, you know, have that, that patience. and Compassion Yeah. Which is
Rae Leigh: That's why I went into personal training. Cause it was still health, but I was dealing with healthy, happy people who wanted to like positively impact their life rather than I haven't done anything with my health.
And now I'm sick and miserable and you need to fix it like , do you know what I mean? Like it's just, there's preventative health and then there's curative health and there they're two very different and I fell in love with preventative health. And then I feel like
Emily Hatton: that makes
Rae Leigh: I feel like music is a form of preventative health.
To me. It's also a curative health though at the same time, because music can heal, but it can also maintain and make life better. And it's the way I see
Emily Hatton: Absolutely.
Rae Leigh: And you can do, it's like doing surgery on a, like, you know, if you're at a stadium and you're singing one song, it's like performing emotional surgery on every single person there all at once.
like, I'm gonna just
surgically
do this to your spirit right now. If you can get a good song that really touches someone like that to me is like the ultimate goal and that.
that,
magical surgery, spiritual surgery, like we talked about gets to happen forever.
Emily Hatton: Mm-hmm
Rae Leigh: And like, once the song is done, it gets to go out there and live its own life.
And I have no responsibility to that song once it's out there,
Emily Hatton: it's like a message in a bottle.
Rae Leigh: yeah.
Emily Hatton: Yeah. You know, you throw it out to see, and yeah. You don't know where it's gonna end up, but it might be, it might end up in the hands of the person who needs it the most, which is
Rae Leigh: Like a mitochondrial message in a bottle because it doesn't, it's not just one, it's not just one bottle.
Once it goes in the seat, it like starts to duplicate, you know, because someone hears it and then they tell their friend and then they tell someone else and like it duplicates, you know, everyone gets the message or whoever hears it. Yeah. It's kind of cool. And we can talk about that forever.
Emily Hatton: Talk about that for we could, I had questions for you. Oh, okay.
Rae Leigh: Oh, okay.
Emily Hatton: you're like what?
Rae Leigh: I mean, I'll probably cut it out, but that's
Emily Hatton: okay.
No,
Rae Leigh: ask me, you can ask me anything. I'm I'm an open book.
Emily Hatton: That's cool. No, I was, it comes from, um, I, I always have like little facts prepared just in case there's like some rapid fire question round,
Rae Leigh: Oh you're so good.
Emily Hatton: love, but you know, like if, if someone goes, what's your party trick, for example, I can do the splits.
Um, and I also have scar
accurate
Rae Leigh: be able to do that. I have stopped. I can't do it anymore.
Emily Hatton: Oh really?
Rae Leigh: But I, that was my party
Emily Hatton: Well, actually I haven't checked in a while.
Rae Leigh: So like pre three children I could do the splits, but, um, yeah. It's one of those things you gotta maintain.
Emily Hatton: Right. I trained too, like every day to be able to get to that point,
because it's just a bucket list thing that I wanted to do and then did
Rae Leigh: ballet and jazz dancing when I was in high school. And so, you know, you train and you flick like you stretch. And my ballet teacher always said that you have to train to be able to do ballet. You can't do ballet to be fit. You've gotta be fit to do it.
So I used to, I push myself a but yeah, but I was also too tall and I had boobs and I like all the other girls were tiny and little and like flat in high school. And I was just this random elephant in the middle of the class. I just did not, I did not fit into that space, but , I,
Emily Hatton: I, I definitely resonate and empathize with the not fitting in feeling.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. Especially in ballet. They are they're tiny. Like ballerinas are
Emily Hatton: oh my gosh, you just unlocked a memory.
Rae Leigh: I
Emily Hatton: I remember that my mom took me to dance lessons and I was so intimidated
by it that I, I said, mom, I don't wanna go anymore.
so yeah, I get, I totally get it. But yeah. Um, so I can do the splits and I have scar accurate volume estimation, which is useless for everything except putting, you know, leftovers in storage containers. So I was going
Rae Leigh: what's that you have scar AC
Emily Hatton: volume.
Which is completely
Rae Leigh: pick up 250 grams of chicken in one hand and you'd be like, yep. That's 250 grams. And then like that type of volume,
Emily Hatton: well, not like gram wise, but, um, okay. I'll give you an example. So like one day I was just like sitting at a table and there was some, we were in a kitchen and there were some containers behind the people that I was sitting with and I mentioned this and then they were like, yeah, right.
And then I was like, okay, so what's left in your drink bottle there. I know that that's gonna, you know, like fill to the brim in that container right there, that looks like a cellist or something. And they were like, okay, sure. So they put it there and they put it in and like literally exactly to the top.
And they were like, stop you, you, you came here beforehand and you got this prepared. I was like, yeah, I knew exactly how much liquid was gonna be in your water bottle before we got to here. And, and that exact challenge. Yeah. yeah. Which is a completely useless, right. Yeah. But anyway,
Rae Leigh: it's, I, I, I have a hundred percent, uh, nonverbal logic, patterning skill in my head, which I worked out.
Cause I did the undergraduate medical assessment task for university. But yeah, pat patterns is it. I, I don't even have to think about it. It's weird. And it's completely useless to me. that was
Emily Hatton: Useless to me. Yeah. That was gonna be my question. What's like your completely useless, awesome skill. right.
I love puzzles, especially,
Rae Leigh: good with patterns and puzzles. Um, and I love that sort of stuff. Like problem solving.
Emily Hatton: Oh my gosh. Same
Rae Leigh: it's like a problem solving skill that. I probably could be at like a consultant or something like that.
Emily Hatton: Were you ever in like the problem solving club at school? Like there was, I didn't even know it was a thing, but in, you didn't
have that
Rae Leigh: town, like I was
Emily Hatton: was, oh man, we had one.
Right. And I always wanted to be in, in it because I loved problem solving and anything to do with puzzles. And then they gave like everybody a test one day and then they pulled me outta class and I was like, did I do something? He's like the FBI after me or what's going on? And then they were like, okay, you're in this problem solving club now.
And I was like, what? I honestly, I was like, I didn't think I'd get in. Oh, that's and then yeah,
Rae Leigh: no, I didn't. I didn't know that that was a thing. I know. I don't think we had that cause I went to a Catholic school in a country town
Emily Hatton: Wow.
Rae Leigh: I'm not strange. I'm just creative. Like . Um, and it's, it's nice.
Emily Hatton: It's a great realization.
Isn't
Rae Leigh: It was so good. I think I was at like a. A party for, do you remember the runway model? Like the TV show, like a premier party mine who was, was one of the models for the runway.
It was like this big party. And it was just filled with creatives. Everyone was either an actor or a model or a fashion designer or, um, musical. And I'm just talking to people and I feel like these people get me,
Emily Hatton: Mm-hmm I just
Rae Leigh: so, but I also, am and fashionly retarded. Like I, yeah. I don't know what you, what do you call that?
You say I was a model and I would wear you. I'm like you tell me what to wear and I'll walk confidently down that catwalk and I will just wear it because you told me to . But if you make me choose, I would be so insecure. Cause I'd be like, I know that my natural ability to pick things that match is terrible.
And that's one of the polar opposite things I have with my husband. He is my stylist and my fashion designer and he tells me what to wear. And I've learnt, I've learnt a lot from him as far as matching colors and things.
Emily Hatton: things like that.
Devil wears PR moment when Anne Hathaway is just standing there in this like bulky sweater or something. And then Meryl Streep is like, I believe that the actual name for this blue color is blah, I can't remember it, but yeah.
Rae Leigh: yeah. So I fully rely on other people's talents and skills when it comes to picking fashion.
Emily Hatton: That's cool. I went through a super edgy, dark, like all black phase, um, because have a living punk rock. Well, yeah, but this was like three years ago. yeah. I don't know what I was trying to communicate. Um, I think I just wanted like something that was easily consistent and also, yeah, just easy to put on and, you know, went with everything or whatever. But then there was a part of me that, you know, said to myself, actually, that's not my personality. So now I've completely lent into the whole Bohemian chic, which had always been that always loved that sort of earthy vibe since like Coachella, you know, has been a thing.
Um, So that's like, that's like my experience with fashion. I treat it as something that's yet another form of expression. Yeah. You know of like, I love these particular florals and how these colors go together. And
although wearing a, a fur looking vest today, isn't the best reflection of
Rae Leigh: your style?
Emily Hatton: my style in general.
Rae Leigh: well, I mean, I'm, I'm in my sportswear, so, I can't talk, but active
Emily Hatton: doing absolutely active wear. Have you seen them?
Rae Leigh: yeah. I'm the mom that will Chuck on runners and, and active pants. And then just go and coffee.
Emily Hatton: Oh, I, I do that too. No, trust me. It's like, it's like a uniform. It's like what you wear when you don't know what to wear.
It's like, oh, what do I put on? I don't know. Is it gonna be too? I don't. I'll just here.
Rae Leigh: it's just in case it's just in case. If at some point in the day I have a moment of physical inspiration where I'm gonna train, go to the gym or
Emily Hatton: and you're like, I'm ready.
Rae Leigh: I'm like, right, I'm ready. And I'm prepared to get down and do 10 pushups right now.
Emily Hatton: I did have a question for you. Yeah. Go
Rae Leigh: for you. Yeah, yeah.
Emily Hatton: Who is someone that you have always wanted to interview and why?
Ooh love the
Rae Leigh: Like as far as Songwriter Trysts it's like, once I've interviewed John Mayer, I'm over, done This is the entire secret plan. I was
Emily Hatton: the buildup
Rae Leigh: No, I secretly trying to delve my way into interviewing him.
Uh, yeah, just cuz I, I like, I've always loved his music, his style. It's very and I think he's a pretty cool guy and I'd love to have a chat hear his opinion on certain when it comes to music and his experience. I mean, he's been doing it for so long now, consistently. I'd love to know what his secret to survival in the industry and just continuing to be inspired and to continuing to create new that is a representation authentic artist.
Emily Hatton: What if it's you ever dreamed of? Listen to
Rae Leigh: end up in bed together. And that would cause
Emily Hatton: oh, you
Rae Leigh: Well, you said dreamed of now uh, was that too far? you on open books.
Emily Hatton: her on
Rae Leigh: I am cheeky. And um, I think that it's good to be cheeky
Emily Hatton: I, I think so too,
Rae Leigh: have fun And it's too short to
Emily Hatton: I fully agree. I completely agree. And you know what, like the past couple of years, I, I realized that I'd kind of lost a little bit of that, you know, knocked the wind outta my sail and all, and I've yeah. Recently rediscovered, what do I think did that
Rae Leigh: feel like you had to
Emily Hatton: no It was the C word. Oh, that? I tried to avoid
Rae Leigh: Yeah, fair enough.
Emily Hatton: but, but specifically I think it was being separated from people I loved, you know, cause I don't think that there's anything, there's a Ted talk from like six years ago that the title is literally something along the lines of um, oh, I can't remember now.
Bla is not the biggest killer isolation is. Yeah. And it's like it's right there in black and white. like being separated from, from people who can, you know, lift you up or, um, yeah. Share the humor in life. Right. It's just, that's why I love comedians because they find the funny and um, I think it's a Ricky Jave quote that I love that I had on my wall.
If you can. I'd
Rae Leigh: to interview Cause I just think just taking the piss everything.
Emily Hatton: But I think the quote is, um, if you can laugh in the face of adversity, you Bulletproof,
Rae Leigh: That is a good que I've heard that one a long time ago. Um, and I think that's, that is, it's like one of those things, like you either gotta laugh and there's no point in it's like crying
Emily Hatton: spilled milk
Rae Leigh: Yeah.
Emily Hatton: sometimes there's a stupid reasons like, oh, she's a quarter of a centimeter too tall. Yeah.
Rae Leigh: Yeah.
Emily Hatton: Yeah. I'm, I'm a huge advocate for being scared of something and then doing it anyway.
for anyway is it, there you go. Yeah. Um, just, Getting out of your comfort I'm a huge advocate for getting out of your comfort zone because that's where the most growth happens, you know?
And, um, I think if you learnt something, then nothing was wasted, you know, so, and everything contributes like a. Puzzle piece to strengthening yourself and, and growing. And yeah,
Rae Leigh: I just like someone, a friend of mine that I only met because they she's a blogger and she interviewed me and then she put me forward to someone else as a recommendation and they ended up co-head lining a gig in Tasmania.
Emily Hatton: Oh, wow.
Rae Leigh: With, um, Adam brand.
Emily Hatton: Oh, I love those serendipitous
Rae Leigh: moments It was so random. And then I'm like backstage with Adam B, I'm kind of laughing. I'm like, huh? Like I've never done this before. And he tips and he is like, you are joking. But um, he was like, oh, you know, you'll be right. It's not , you'll be right.
Good luck. you be? Right. Yeah, she'll be right. But, and I just got up and just did it and it was great. Like, and I loved it, but at the same time, it was like, I'm not qualified for this. Like, you know, just, I had, um, In January. I, I randomly ended up getting to be on that, the young rock TV show with Dwayne Johnson, who was like one
Emily Hatton: of my oh what
Rae Leigh: Oh, what? Absolutely. Yeah. Seriously.
But it was, it was, it was the day before shoot and they were like, we need you to come in. We need you to sing this song. Can you do it? It was like, yep, sure. They told me the name of the song on the phone. And I just pretended, like I knew I'd never heard the song before in my life.
I'm just like, it's a country song. Surely it's not gonna be that hard. It was just four chords. Thank God. but it was in a, a rhythm that I'd never played before. So
So
I spent 12 hours learning this song that I'd never heard before in my life. And then I've played it on this show. That's been seen by three to 5 million people.
and, um,
that was, that was outta my comfort zone, but it was just, you had to laugh at it. I was like, oh, well they'll either cut me out or they'll use it. And I
Emily Hatton: a great memory.
Rae Leigh: Yeah, but it was, it's just one of those things where like, I just had to say. They actually filmed it in the same bar where I did my first ever paid originals This bar had, did like an originals night and they gave me 50 bucks to play all my original songs for half an
Emily Hatton: love those ball. So moments
Rae Leigh: a full circle. So when we got to set, I was like, no way, like what a full circle moment. And I told the directors, I was like, oh, that's so cool. Like what a, um, sentimental thing. And yeah, so it was really awesome. And like, in, in the script of this particular show, The guy who's playing Dwayne Johnson, like a younger version of Dwayne Johnson.
He actually he's looking at me and he tells his mate at the bar goes, oh, she's really good.
And, then, um, and then the guy's like, oh, it's Nashville, everyone. He's really good. But like, in my head I'm like, yes, Dwayne Johnson said, I'm really good, even though it's not him. And it's a script and whatever, like in my head, I don't care. Totally counts. Yeah. Totally counts. Right. So anyway, so that's one of those experiences for me where it's just like, you just gotta say yes and do it anyway and, and learn from it.
And I'm like, I did drama in high school and uh so yeah, what's up? Yeah. so no I'm really excited about where that leads cuz yeah. I love acting as well, but.
dunno where I don't wanna, we
Emily Hatton: because we're both passionate about
Rae Leigh: All right. Cool. Are you, is there anything else you wanna say before we finish
Emily Hatton: Cliche, cliche, cliche. I've invented in word cliche question,
Rae Leigh: cliche. Okay, good.
Emily Hatton: If you had a superpower, what
Rae Leigh: start your own podcast. This is great. You should just be like random facts with Emily.
Emily Hatton: That's
Rae Leigh: I'll send you the audio. This could be one of your first episodes. sorry. Cliche question. What was it?
Emily Hatton: yes. What if you could choose to have any superpower? What would it be?
Rae Leigh: what would it be? I'd love the idea of teleporting. They
Emily Hatton: That is a pretty cool one. They should just invent that already, like right.
Rae Leigh: Do you know? Cause I had, I had some people this week saying, oh, are you coming Nashville? Anytime soon, I'd love to write with you. Or, you know, you can stay at our place or whatever.
And I was like, I really wanna get over there. I've got this album concept that I wanna work on. And I know that I, I could get some really good songs out there if I just worked with some really strong songwriters. And, um, Nashville's a place to go. I looked at flights and it's like, it's like five grand just for a return.
I'm like, oh, like I went in 2019, I think it was around the two grand mark for return flights. And that was just for 10 days. And it still cost me like 10 grand. And now I'm looking, it's like the flights alone, uh, over double I'm like, oh, so yeah. I wish I could tele porn. I'd be like, Hey, I'm here to write a song
Emily Hatton: Be there in a minute.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. I'll see you in fight. And you could be, imagine if you could teleport though. And no, and no one knew that you could teleport. You could literally pretend like you lived in London or New York and you could just be like, yeah, let's meet up for coffee in like
Emily Hatton: then you you'd still be fashionably late just
Rae Leigh: maybe if you, if you screwed up the time zone thing,
Emily Hatton: yes.
Rae Leigh: damn it. Three O'. Am
Emily Hatton: oh my gosh.
Rae Leigh: coffee shop. Doesn't open for four hours. It's like, that's alright. I'll just teleport. Like, so imagine like, so I get quite insomniac, so like I'll be awake and I'll be like, damnit it's 3:00 AM. Why can't I go to sleep?
You know? Um, especially when I'm feeling really inspired. So if it's three in the morning and you can't sleep, I could just teleport to somewhere in the world where I could go get a coffee or a beer. And like everyone's still awake and hustling. And that, I mean, that would be cool. I'd probably never
Emily Hatton: sleep. You probably never sleep. I was gonna say
Rae Leigh: but
Emily Hatton: until you just like pass out from sheer exhaustion
Rae Leigh: which does happen. But it's also one of the reasons I think I did start the podcast is cuz I like to be busy doing stuff,
Emily Hatton: totally
Rae Leigh: thank you for joining me.
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